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Also, come odds bets are usually 'off' during the come out roll, unless the bettor asks to have the odds bets 'working'. Come odd bets that are 'off' will be returned to the player if the line bet loses on the come out roll. Don't come odds generally work on the come-out roll. OJ: Three and two (32, O.J. Simpson's football #). Secrets Tip – Never bet the Big 6 or Big 8 located at the corners of the table. They carry a 9.09% House Edge versus Place Betting the same numbers for a 1.52% House Edge. All examples include betting both the (6) and (8) on a $10 minimum craps table. 6 & 8 Collect and Press. Place Bet both the (6) and (8) for $12 each (Total $24).

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I know there are better bets regarding HA, but, when I bet right I usually have the Pass Line w/odds and Place Six and 8 (or Six and Nine, if point is 8; or 5 and 8 if point is Six.) Of course, after I make my point, the House 'helps' me by turning 'Off' my Place Bets. Since the dice have no clue as to when a Seven is supposed to be rolled, is it not reasonable to have the Place Bets working? I think I may give that a try when I visit Las Vegas in August. Wondered what others thought, do, or don't do. I suppose same could be asked about the Come Bet odds and the Hard Ways.I like 'em off. Place bets you should certainly keep off, since it is a negative expectation every time they are up there. Odds are technically supposed to be left on by the player every roll; it lessens the house edge each time. I like the break from the action on the come out roll. My friend will keep them on when he's on a hot roll.If you have a pass line bet, you've be happy if the shooter rolled a 7. Therefore, since you have the option to turn them off, the casinos turn them off by default, That's why the black side of the puck says 'off'.
So even if you have a bunch of place bets, you can feel free to root for a come out 7. Heck, even if the dice have no memory, players love the emotional aspect of getting the sevens out of the shooter's system.
So, yeah! Turn 'em off!
What bothers me is, why do hardway bets stay on, on a come out roll, and why only in Vegas? Everywhere else I've played, hardways are off on a come out roll...

Odds are technically supposed to be left on every roll

Maybe I misunderstood. I think you are talking about odds for a come/don't come bet made while rolling on a different point. If so, I think whether they are working or not is irrelevant as far as EV amount and better to have them working as far as EV as a percentage of your total wagering. When you say 'supposed to be left on', I think that is incorrect as far as what the casino is supposed to do by default.
Edit: I could be mistaken here -- odds for don't come bets probably work by default on a new come out roll. I wasn't thinking clearly on that, since I never bet the don't. I'm confident the odds on existing come bets are off by default but may be called on.

What bothers me is, why do hardway bets stay on, on a come out roll, and why only in Vegas? Everywhere else I've played, hardways are off on a come out roll...

I have found this to be inconsistent from casino to casino, most everywhere I have played -- is it really consistent within Las Vegas? If so, I hadn't realized that. Most stick men will make a comment like 'hardways on unless called off' or the other way around, until they learn what way you prefer to play them. But different stick men within a casino use the same default.Well, now I have learned something. Just never put two and two together. Duh, after years of playing the game, I really never knew the puck in the 'Off' position meant that Place Bets, Odds, etc. were 'Off'. Oh what a bonehead I am on that front. Old dog, new trick. Just thought it was a new game about to start.

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Sure, I am happy, with a Pass Line bet, to see a 7. I just don't get the 'getting the sevens out of the shooter's system' though. I know, it would not be enjoyable to see a Place Six and Place 8 go down, but if it's a good bet (and I use the term 'good' loosely) to make initially, why not let it continue to work, even on the Come Out? I have tried to see (using search) on WOO and WOV to see what the math-man says, but couldn't find anything. I expect he would say to let them work. Hope he weighs in.Come odds have to be off on the comeout roll, you are trying to roll a seven! But then again why use the come bet at all?
Harways should be off for the same reason.

Come odds have to be off on the comeout roll, you are trying to roll a seven! But then again why use the come bet at all?

Very good point...Why make a Come Bet? And, if you do, why put up Odds, if you're going to have them 'Off' on the Come Out (I know why the Odds are put up, of course)? Suppose, though, that you are not the shooter, and you missed the initial Come Out. You make a Come Bet and put up Odds and the shooter makes his initial point. Isn't the Come Bet, in essence, your Come Out point? You make no further bets, so, wouldn't you want the Odds working? Of course one would. I know it seems a bit far-fetched, but I just don't know why the bets aren't 'good' all of the time. Don't get me wrong. I am not trying to be argumentative, just looking at what others have done in the past, and maybe hear some sound results. I started off my Craps playing as solely a wrong bettor. Now, I like the PL w/odds and Place Six/Place 8. Haven't bet wrong for a while, but have no aversion to it. When I initially started off betting right, I went with the old Ponzer: PL w/odds and 2 Come Bets w/odds. Now, I play as previously stated, but with the Place bets 'Off', courtesy of the casino.Craps is amazingly flexible. Depending only upon the player's preference, Place bets and Odds bets can work or not work on any roll, including a Pass come-out roll. The On/Off puck dictates the status of discretionary bets unless the player says otherwise. If the player so directs, his dealer will put a small laminated label on that player's bet to override the puck. The small 'lammer,' white for On and black for Off, and opposite in color to the puck, can be placed and removed at any time at the player's discretion. Ask your dealer to show you his supply of lammers.
Directing that your Place bets and Come Odds bets are to work during a particular Pass come out roll is no better and no worse than passively permitting them to work on any ordinary roll. Turning them off for any ordinary roll is no better and no worse than passively permitting them to be off on the Pass come out roll.
Players on the Right side of Pass welcome natural sevens. Recognizing this fact a century ago when Come bets were invented, game management added black and white sides to the previously neutral Point indicator. Odds bets on Come numbers were then temporarily protected against loss, which would produce mixed feelings for the Right players. Similar reasoning extended the protection to Place bets. Your question is whether you personally desire such protection, which is based upon emotion rather than mathematics.
On Pass come out rolls, you can do as you please. Let your own intuition be your guide. If during a hot shoot you sense that Big Red is still far away then let your bets work. Every so often, tell your dealer that your Place bets and Odds bets are working coming out. Doing so really is not anti-social, but you may get some strange looks from other players. If their opinions matter then you may simply run with the pack and follow the puck.The assumption if you 'come' late to the game, is that you will then follow a made point by placing a pass line bet to get back in synch with the shooter. Since you will now be playing the pass line too, you are in a quandry regarding the seven, since that outcome will cause your new pass line bet to win, but your prior come bet to lose. Leave the come bet's odds 'off' for the new come out roll so that if a seven (the most probable number) appears, you will just wash, instead of losing your odds bet.
The beauty of this game is that if you prefer to, 'let it work', you simply inform the dealer. Make sure they put the 'on' lammer on top of your odds bet.

It’s no surprise that multitudes of strategies have been developed around place betting the (6) & (8) as these numbers give the craps player one of the be best advantages of beating the casinos.

First of all, both the (6) and the (8) are the numbers likely to roll most often, next to the (7). There are 5 ways to roll (6), 5 ways to roll an (8), and 6 ways to roll a (7).

It doesn’t stop there. Here’s are some more advantages of Place Betting the (6) and/or (8).

• Place Bets only need to be hit once to win, versus a Pass Line or Come Bet, which needs to be hit twice
• The payout on a Place Bets exceeds that of Pass Line or Come Bets at lower betting levels
  • It takes approximately 5X odds before the benefits of PL/Come Bets exceed that of Place Bets
• Place Bets can be made or taken down at any time the player wants versus PL/Come bets which are contract bets
• The player controls the numbers that are bet, versus the roll of the dice being the determining factor
• Already mentioned, the (6) and (8) are most likely to be rolled aside from the (7)
• Betting both the (6) and (8) gives you a 10 to 6 advantage of one of your numbers hitting before the (7)
• The house edge on place betting the (6) or (8) is only 1.52%, one of the lowest on the table

If the toolbox of strategies you bring to the craps tables does not include a (6) and (8) strategy, then it might be time to find one that works for you.

We’ll cover a few of the most popular, and some not-so-popular 6/8 strategies for you to assess and possibly include in your own repertoire of strategies.

Secrets Tip – Never bet the Big 6 or Big 8 located at the corners of the table. They carry a 9.09% House Edge versus Place Betting the same numbers for a 1.52% House Edge.

All examples include betting both the (6) and (8) on a $10 minimum craps table.

6 & 8 Collect and Press

• Place Bet both the (6) and (8) for $12 each (Total $24)
• Take these steps on the (6) and (8) independently
  • 1^st Hit – Collect and rack the $14 in winnings (you now only have $10 of your money at risk)
  • 2^nd Hit – Press your bet to $24
  • 3^rd Hit – Collect and rack the $28 in winnings (now your up $20)
  • 4^th Hit – Press your bet to $48
• From here, you can either continue alternately ‘collecting’ and ‘pressing’ your bets through the end of the roll or take down your bets at any point in the progression you want.

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6 & 8 One Unit Continuous Press

• Place Bet both the (6) and (8) for $12 each (Total $24)
• Take these steps on the (6) and (8) independently
  • 1^st Hit – Win $14 – Press your bet by $6 to $18 (collect & rack $8)
  • 2^nd Hit – Win $21 – Press your bet by $6 to $24 (collect & rack $15)
  • 3^rd Hit – Win $28 – Press your bet by $6 to $30 (collect & rack $22)
  • 4^th Hit – Win $35 – Press your bet by $6 to $36 (collect & rack $29)
• Either continue to press one unit each time one of your numbers hits, or take down one or both of your bets at any point you want.

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6 & 8 – $72 Regression

• Place Bet both the (6) and (8) for $36 each (Total $72)
  • 1^st Hit – Win $42
  • Immediately take both the (6) and (8) down to $12 each
  • You’re now positive $18 and only have casino winnings on the table
• Use the (6) and (8) Collect and Press for the remainder of the shooter’s roll

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6 & 8 – 1-3-2-6 Positive Progression Strategy

• Place Bet both the (6) and (8) for $12 each (Total $24)
• Take these steps on the (6) and (8) independently
  • 1^st Hit – Win $14 – Drop $10 and press the bet to $36 (Net winnings = -$34)
  • 2^nd Hit – Win $42 – Drop your bet to $24 (Net winnings = $18)
  • 3^rd Hit – Win $28 – Drop $60 and press your bet to $72 (Net winnings = $0)
  • 4^th Hit – Win $84 – Take all bets down (Net winnings = $168)
• After taking your bets down and collecting your net winnings of $168, you can wait for the shooter’s roll to end or decide to start the betting progression over.

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6 & 8 – $48 Hit and Spread

• Place Bet both the (6) and (8) for $24 each (Total $48)
  • 1^st Hit – Win $28
  • Immediately take the (6) and (8) down to $12 each
  • Add the (5) and (9) for $10 each
• After the 1^st Hit, you’ll now have 4 inside numbers covered for a $16 investment.
• Utilize a collect and press strategy for the remainder of the roll.

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6 or 8 – Low Roller Inside Spread

• Place the (6) or (8) for $12 (Total $12)
  • 1^st Hit – Win $14 – Rack $2 and place the opposite number for $12 (Net = -$10)
  • 2^nd Hit – Win $14 – Collect and rack $14 (Net winnings = $4)
  • 3^rd Hit – Win $14 – Rack $4 and place the (5) or (9) for $10 (Net winnings = $8)
  • 4^th Hit – Win $14 – Rack $4 and place the opposite 5/9 for $10 (Net winnings = $12)
• You now have all inside numbers covered AND a $12 profit.
• Utilize the collect and press strategy for each number covered through the end of the roll.

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6 or 8 – Low Roller Run Up

• Place the (6) or (8) for $12 (Total $12)
  • 1st Hit – Win $14
    • Parlay your winnings and add $4 to your bet
    • Bet is now $30 – Total investment $16
  • 2nd Hit – Win $35
    • Parlay your winnings and add $1 to your bet
    • Bet is now $66 – Total investment of $17
  • 3rd Hit – Win $77
    • Take all bets down
• Collect $126 in winnings ($14+$35+$77) from a total investment of $17
• At this point, you can either start the strategy over or wait for the next shooter

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There are many other variations out there, and if you didn’t find one you’re comfortable with above, a quick google search will uncover many, many more.

Keep in mind, no strategy will change the house edge (casino advantage) on the bets placed. The goal is find the betting strategy that works for you and your bankroll and apply it at the right times at the table.

Feel free to share your own (6) and (8) betting strategies in the comments below.

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